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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 24, 2011 9:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan Submits to Censorship in China

Wow, what a curious bunch of responses here. I'm really surprised, confused, and disappointed. Yes, I realize that Dylan isn't very political anymore. Yes, I realize that he has many other great songs that also have powerful messages, and that he did play some of those. And that's great. But at the end of the day, the minstry of culture told him not to play certain songs, and instead of saying "fuck you," he saluted. That sucks. Not a big deal? In my opinion it's a very big deal.

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Poster: olympiaroad Date: Apr 25, 2011 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan Submits to Censorship in China

DeadATL's post contains a link to an article that questions the basic premise that he was even given a list. That said, based on China's past actions, (The Stones were told to avoid certain songs like "Spend the Night Together" in 2006 and Jagger joked from the stage that all the British expats were saved from being corrupted...or something like that), they probably did give Dylan a short-list of banned tunes.

China has a long and sordid history with western involvement. Don't forget the opium wars. They are all about protecting their sovereignty. That's true of many of the Asian nations generally for the same reason. It's why State Dept. officials know it's probably just going to make matters worse if they complain to Singapore that some idiotic kid is going to get hanged for drug possession. Their judges don't appreciate westerners sticking their noses into it.

I'm not endorsing the totalitarians, mind you, but I will repeat again what I said earlier: look at your shirt, look at your child's toys. If it says "made in China" on it, it's hard to criticize Dylan for not singing songs he rarely sings anyway unless you, yourself are at least fighting the totalitarians by not supporting what they produce.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 26, 2011 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan Submits to Censorship in China

Also, Blowin in the Wind doesn't seem all that rare to me. He's played it over 100 times since 2007.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 26, 2011 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan Submits to Censorship in China

Buying a Chinese radio is a lot different than letting them censor your setlists. When I buy Chinese products, I don't compromise my artistic integrity. It's the same thing with selling songs to advertisers. Even if he lets Victoria's Secret use a song, he can still play it.

But hey, it's just two songs, right? And he hardly ever plays them anyway (execept of course that he played Blowin in Taiwan). How many songs would it be okay for the Chinese to censor? Three? Ten? At what point does it become unacceptable? What if the US government told him what songs to play? Would that be okay with you?

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Poster: splue Date: Apr 24, 2011 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan Submits to TSA Probe in Toledo

i think olympiaroad has some very good points though...maybe on another day he would have done that; maybe he was doing it for the fans, not the government?